Sarah Palin replied by Arandur @ Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:58:11 -0000

Arandur — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:58:11 -0000

Does Sarah Palin inspire the same kind of intense feelings (for or against) among you all as she seems to in the media? From what I find, either she is loved for being the first truly real person/average American on a presidential ticket in ages, a politician with integrity who does what she says and believes in and thus energizes people because of these and other admirable traits—or she inspires abject dismissal and/or hatred by people who see no virtually no redeeming qualities in her, and even fewer in McCain for putting her on the ticket.

Does that match your feelings or what you’ve been seeing?

Check This Out! replied by LdsGal202 @ Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:16:14 -0000

LdsGal202 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:16:14 -0000

how did you even find that?! :DDD

Check This Out! replied by Arandur @ Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:28:28 -0000

Arandur — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:28:28 -0000

It’s a spinoff of the Onion to rag on fundies—hilarious!

As even funnier as it might be, it’s not real. I think the political bent (anti-McCain, pro-Obama) gives the lie to that. Such wacko fundies would hate both sides.

Constantine replied by LdsGal202 @ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:06:24 -0000

LdsGal202 — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:06:24 -0000

I saw the movie constantine w/ keanu reeves. Anyone seen it?! CRAZY GOOD MOVIE! xDDD

Check This Out! replied by LdsGal202 @ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:45:48 -0000

LdsGal202 — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:45:48 -0000

BAHAHAHAHAHA! You have GOT to be kidding me if that site is foreal! LOOOVE this article xD http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/august/olym…

Check This Out! replied by kookookachoo @ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:40:18 -0000

kookookachoo — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:40:18 -0000

Hi guys!

You gotta check out this website! It cannot be for real! If it’s not real, it is the one of the best spoof sites to ever be on the web. http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ Be sure to go to some of the links within the stories for even more hilarity. It is really quite unbelievable and in extremely poor taste! Which is why it appeals to me so much! Check it out!

Love, Kookoo

Sshhh! Quiet Time on GSLU! replied by FiNiX @ Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:47:31 -0000

FiNiX — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:47:31 -0000

EVE Online. I’ve heard of that game. I’m thinking of trying it out. :P

What's the point? replied by LdsGal202 @ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:58:00 -0000

LdsGal202 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:58:00 -0000

nice addition ;)))

Critique my philosophical theory! replied by LdsGal202 @ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:56:50 -0000

LdsGal202 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:56:50 -0000

nope I cannot. Loved the thread! theres much to talk about here :)))

Critique my philosophical theory! replied by stinkowicz @ Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:48:01 -0000

stinkowicz — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:48:01 -0000

Proof of the Existence of God:
What supports my present experience at this very moment? There must be an answer to the question of my conscious experience. My existence necessitates that something else also “exists” which sustains me, and gives rise to my life as I know it.
Even if science can explain it all, it is still attempting to explain “it all”, pointing toward some answer. By my limited perspective of the greater picture I can only reason that my five senses are absolutely limited in their ability to explain anything, really. This is the basic fact of my waking life, that it is a mere perspective riddled with opinions. It’s always a given that when I listen to someone I trust they are telling me the truth, but are they really actually imparting something to me?
All their words represent is an opinion or perspective on the world, losing any type of legitimacy from the start. First fact of life; Perspective. Taken a step further doubly destroys the coherency of anything another tells me; the meaning behind their word will never be grasped by me, as he knows it. I can only interpret his utterances through my experiences which involve that word, which are completely different than his. Second fact: I can’t comprehend another’s perspective 100%, it’s always an interpretation.
And the result? It’s almost useless to grasp the meaning others hold and the understanding they have. The second implication is that your understanding is also put into question. You know it in some personal way, having some “truthful” access to it, but it’s a confused and limited way of understanding.
So, something really grand and unique must exist that provides “existence energy” to myself and these other things that seem to be in the world. There has to be one, because if there were two it wouldn’t be the ultimate thing, being rivaled. This being, by its nature has no separations, is totally unified, and therefore must know itself through itself. We on the other hand know ourselves only in reference to what we are not. It is because you have a larger nose that I have a small nose. The concept “large nose” is the reason “small nose” exists, because a “small nose” is a nose which is the opposite of large. The concept God, exists because we can conceive of a being which is self sustaining, and self defining.
And on a tangent, this substance intuitively seems to require infinite ways to express itself, as it must be unlimited in its power. My concept of imperfection, in reference to an ultimate life source, is a key convincing factor to believing in the existence of perfection, undefinable by our standards and sensual expressions. We are mere faces of a greater self, arms and legs and extensions of that which supports us. My knowledge of being limited immediately tugs my consciousness to reflection on something greater.
My final question. If you have the faith to believe in this greater being, wouldn’t its infinite power necessitate that you would have access to its full experience of being? Wouldn’t he makes this a fact of life, that any part of this substance already be in the experience of the substance? Wouldn’t God create only perfect things, things exactly like himself in every way? And finally, my gap as a human from my fact as a God must mean one thing, I’m hiding from myself for some absurd and illogical reason. A God great enough to support all of life must necessarily create me as great, or else I’m forced to laugh and point at the illegitimacy of this conception of God. God by definition is greatest, most powerful, most true, and primary. I accept no idea beyond my own perspective, except the idea/fact which holds my present experience of writing this article in my mind. I must be connected, and I must have access to everything. These I see to be facts of life. The meaning of life. God is, I am, We are one, yet something is hiding this. Being bound to a body is not a blessing. It’s a curse to be trapped, limited, and unfulfilled. The experience beyond tempts me.
Life is all about one choice. Faith in a substance beyond your perspective, or not?
I can’t imagine any explanation which rationally convinces me to deny this substance.
Can you?

Faith Based Initiatives replied by Satolkin @ Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:38:00 -0000

Satolkin — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:38:00 -0000

Arandur wrote:
>Not to sound callous here, but strictly speaking I don’t think the government’s purpose involves charity. I believe in a limited government more akin to the Framers’ idea than what we have now.

Agreed.

So my perspective is that charity is primarily our individual responsibility.

Agreed, again. In fact, the original meaning for the word “charity” is “agape”- love- and has fuckall to do with throwing money at causes for the sake of personal piety, but that’s another story for another time.
However, as far as so- called “faith- based initiatives,” uh- uh. Not a fan. Mixing government and church money corrupts both; the two should have nothing to do with each other.

And, Koo, dammit brother, I’m sorry, but the government’s duty is to stay the hell out of our lives unless it’s an issue of defense. Beyond that, it’s ourselves alone, and it’s our duty to take care of each other. Individually, or in whatever little support cells we’re involved in.

Oh- but we suck at that? Yeah, we do. We didn’t always.
Why?

What's the point? replied by Satolkin @ Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:21:15 -0000

Satolkin — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:21:15 -0000

LdsGal202 wrote:
>I’m assuming you mean whats the point to life? if so then the point of living is so we can grow and learn and mature and to prove ourselves worthy to be in the presense of our Heavenly father one day.

Yeah, not bad, LDSGal. Lemme add this, as well:

Since G-d doesn’t take a direct hand in anything, it’s also our job, while here, to work for Him, as his “hands,” or agents, as it were.

Hey- it’s an Aristotlean/Maimonidean view. They generally annoy me, but they’ve got that point right, I think.

What's the point? replied by LdsGal202 @ Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:30:42 -0000

LdsGal202 — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:30:42 -0000

I’m assuming you mean whats the point to life? if so then the point of living is so we can grow and learn and mature and to prove ourselves worthy to be in the presense of our Heavenly father one day.

What's the point? replied by kookookachoo @ Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:54:01 -0000

kookookachoo — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:54:01 -0000

Welcome to God Still Loves Us, Kiri! I see this is your first topic and your first post all in one! Please introduce your self in the good old Introduce Yourself topic http://godstilllovesus.org/forums/7/topics/20 It is nice to meet you!

Can you give us more insight as to how to reply? If you want us to list some points for you, just start reading more of the topics here. There are a lot of points in them, so that’s a start. If you are looking for the point of our site, that’s a tough one, isn’t it?

Please tell us more about what you’d like us to post in your topic, and we will, I promise!

Thanks for joining the GSLU family! Again, welcome!

Love, Kookoo

What's the point? replied by Kiri @ Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:47:28 -0000

Kiri — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:47:28 -0000

It may be silly.
It may be stupid.
It has been asked before.

...but what is the point?
I’d like to know what you think, because I don’t know.

Faith Based Initiatives replied by Arandur @ Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:52:58 -0000

Arandur — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:52:58 -0000

Not to sound callous here, but strictly speaking I don’t think the government’s purpose involves charity. I believe in a limited government more akin to the Framers’ idea than what we have now.

We can vote for our governments to take up certain welfare roles (and we have), but I think the place for that is much more with state and local governments. Even then, putting it on the government is an abdication of personal responsibility to help our neighbors, and encourages the mindset that the government should take care of it, and we can keep our hands clean of it all. And then there’s the fact that the government is generally quite poor and inefficient or even counterproductive at welfare.

So my perspective is that charity is primarily our individual responsibility. The government, preferably state and local, should provide a basic safety net that we must always keep an eye on. Ideally, private charities should handle everything and the government shouldn’t be needed. With that in mind, programs should try to limit government in favor of private charities.

Computer Dependency replied by LdsGal202 @ Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:52:23 -0000

LdsGal202 — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:52:23 -0000

YOU GOT ME! lol.

Faith Based Initiatives replied by LdsGal202 @ Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:50:58 -0000

LdsGal202 — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:50:58 -0000

I agree & disagree with you koo when you said it’s the governments responsobility to take care of the poor. I think it’s not only there responsability but EVERYONES. Everyone has to do their part in helping wether its donating clothes,money, or time. But I agree that the govt. has to step there game up and put the money to good use. Religion has always done its part in helping the poor, my church has something we call a fast offering. Every 1st sunday of the month we fast & give a fast offering(money) which goes to our churches funds to help people around the world. In fact, we give more aid then the Red-cross. Little f&f (fun fact) for you there :))) But yeah mainly I think its everyones responsability & mostly the govt. I mean we pay taxes for these kinda things dont we?

Religion and Science replied by LdsGal202 @ Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:41:22 -0000

LdsGal202 — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:41:22 -0000

haha, well I was seeing if maybe I should jump into this one but nah, its too much stuff to read and I’m feeling lazy quite frankly.lol! xD

Computer Dependency replied by kookookachoo @ Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:43:21 -0000

kookookachoo — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:43:21 -0000

Are we too dependent upon our computers?

To find out, answer this question:

Are you male or female?

To find the answer, look down.

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Religion and Science replied by kookookachoo @ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:26:17 -0000

kookookachoo — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:26:17 -0000

LdsGal202 wrote:
>hmmm, should I say something about…...naaahhh :)))

Well, Gal, another reply to your same post! Aran wants you to explain, and i may not be as smart as i thought. Thanks, honey!
Love, Kookoo

Faith Based Initiatives replied by Arandur @ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:32:15 -0000

Arandur — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:32:15 -0000

I agree with about half of what you said, Koo. I do see a danger of charities becoming dependent upon the government dole. I think, however, that that is the primary danger and possibly the intent of the Obama Left. With their policies, such a situation would work to rip apart religious charities, trying to get them dependent on the government and then eliminating anything religious about them. So what he is saying is either malicious in intent and also political dishonesty, or just political dishonesty (dishonest in that he’s using the name “Faith-based Initiative” to mean anything but, just to slap a happy label on something that would actually break the system).

So I agree in that I am uneasy about the government giving money to charities at all. But I also recognize that the government is horribly inefficient and often counterproductive at almost anything it does, and is in that sense indeed “worthless,” as you say. I do NOT believe that it is

the responsibility of our government to make sure that children (and even adults) have a place to live, adequate food and health care.

This is a fairly recent notion about governments that I strongly disagree with. I recognize that a government exists to ensure the protection and cohesion of a nation and to promote the minimum amount of law and regulation for an orderly society. That does include some basic welfare (helping keep people off the streets), but I don’t believe in a nanny state, nor that health care is a “right.” Prosperity and its attendant benefits is a goal, a privilege earned, not guaranteed.

I do recognize, however, that because of the aforementioned government failure with social programs, it is potentially desirable that, must the government support things outside its basic mission and intent, it do them through private agencies as much as possible. Religious charities are good at helping people, so they make sensible targets. Providing a pool of money for any to draw from equally makes sense, but it must come with no strings attached to avoid the establishment clause.

So basically my position is that if you’re going to do Faith-Based Initiatives, do them right (and that’s much closer to McCain’s plan). If you’re not going to do it right, then don’t do it at all and don’t give us your lying BS about it you pandering phony politician.

Religion and Science replied by Arandur @ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:15:09 -0000

Arandur — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:15:09 -0000

Thanks for checking in, Koo. While we’re making distinctions, I hope you (and others) understood that the derision I expressed was for the big lie of the Conflict Thesis, not for anyone understandably accepting this popularized notion before learning otherwise.

And it’s not that I’m all that worried about anti-Catholic bigotry; it’s not like it’s anything new. What is more irritating to me is when big lies get culturally accepted and deceive millions—like global warming, some of the cancer scares and others that we’ve discussed here.

hmmm, should I say something about……naaahhh :)))
Hi Gal!
Nice to see you here, I think I know what you mean…

I don’t, so maybe you should…? :)

Faith Based Initiatives replied by kookookachoo @ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:12:19 -0000

kookookachoo — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:12:19 -0000

OK, I looked this over the other day, finally thought of something to say…

Fuck faith based initiatives! The fact that religions have to take care of the poor people in our society is a tragedy and a stain upon our nation. It is the responsibility of our government to make sure that children (and even adults) have a place to live, adequate food and health care. Religions were doing their part a long time ago and will continue to do so, even without government help. They are charities, too! PEOPLE give them money to help others. Witness the Salvation Army, catholic charities, etc. These folks aren’t going out of business anytime soon. If they become dependent upon taxpayer money to do their good deeds, what happens when the largesse disappears? Because you know that our worthless government will start wasting that money somewhere else next year… The government needs to take care of the neediest in our society, I’m sorry, that’s just the way it is. They are busy dismantling the expensive welfare state and foisting their duties upon charities that may or MAY NOT pick up the slack. Yes, I know, people abuse the system. We have laws against fraud, why not use them? (I know, they didn’t use them against Bear Stearns, but that’s such a special case. I would imagine that the Salvation Army could have put 30 billion to better use than our government did, but I just can’t prove it…lol).

As far as Father Mister in the link, he has it exactly right, McCain is parroting the Bush shit, Obama has no balls and won’t say the fuck thing that I said above. It’s a well known fact that Obama mislaid his balls somewhere. I will have to look long and hard for them inside the voting booth. Well, that’s enough for now… The Batman thing is cute.

Religion and Science replied by kookookachoo @ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:33:24 -0000

kookookachoo — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:33:24 -0000

LdsGal202 wrote:
>hmmm, should I say something about…...naaahhh :)))

Hi Gal!

Nice to see you here, I think I know what you mean…

Love, Kookoo

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